'About', or, the use of metaphors in therapy

This episode takes the journey through the show's title to a whole new level of tenuous, where Rich and Ray use the word 'about' as a gateway into discussing how humans make sense of the world by relating to ideas and events in terms of other ideas and events. This leads to a discussion about how this ability can be harnessed as a means of promoting insight and behaviour change in a psychotherapy context via the deliberate use of metaphor. On the way, you can also find out how our hosts coped when their respective holiday plans went wrong, and why Ray spent his big birthday sat on a baggage carousel at Gatwick airport.

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